Fantasy Conversation with Picasso


by Pygoya, 1980



Picasso: (1935) A picture is not thought out and settled beforehand. While it is being done it changes as one's thoughts change. (Is this why much architecture remain nonart - because there is no deviation from the original schemata or blueprint? - Pygoya). And when it is finished, it still goes on changing, according to the state of mind of whoever is looking at it. A picture lives a life like a living creature, undergoing the changes imposed on us by our life from day to day. This is natural enough, as the picture lives only through the man who is looking at it.

Pygoya: Yes, art is a fixed physical stimulus or set of directives on how to perceive something or a situation. But living art remains in the living eyes of the beholder and not in history. Much of the art that is historic but passed by on gallery tours is dead, psychologically speaking.

Picasso: I want to get to the stage where nobody can tell how a picture of mine is done. What's the point of that? Simply that I want nothing but emotion to be given off by it.

Pygoya: Yes, part of the appreciation of art by others is their amazement and confusion on how somebody got the idea for a successful work of art. To me emotion is one alternative to the objective for creating art. One could do quality art that stems merely and solely from the cold, rational and calculating side of man. Who's to say which is better? It's a value judgment.

Picasso: There is no abstract art. You must always start with something. Afterward you can remove all traces of reality. There is no danger then, anyway, because the idea of the object will have left an indelible mark. It is what started the artist off, excited his ideas, and stirred up his emotions. Ideas and emotions will in the end be prisoners in his work. Whatever they do, they can't escape from the picture. They form an integral part of it, even when their presence is no longer discernible.

Pygoya: Yes, there is a unique "character" to individual things or ideas, which is more than the sum of its whole appearance.

Picasso: Whether he likes it or not, man is the instrument of nature. It forces on him its character and appearance.

Pygoya: And nature includes the mental processes of its inhabitants - body and mind not just depend on each other but is one. The metaphysical may just be that which we still don't understand and thus made mystical. God may be THE big picture behind nature.

Picasso: An idea is a beginning point and no more. If you contemplate it, it becomes something else.

Pygoya: I guess this is the way of viewing my personal growth process with Union Graduate School. One thing leads to another, but each is more than just an extension of a more primal idea - it is different and "something else" in itself. Every generation is a continuation but also something else unprecedented in human consciousness.

Picasso: The important thing is to create. Nothing else matters; creation is all. ....The value of a work resides precisely in what it is not.

Pygoya: And the more flexible and varied the work is in being "what it is not," the more abstract it becomes.