Fantasy Conversation with Mondrian


by Pygoya, 1980



Mondrian: (1937) Figurative art of today is the outcome of figurative art of the past, and nonfigurative art is the outcome of the figurative art of today. Thus the unity of art is maintained.

Pygoya: The avant-garde of a period is always somewhat indebted to that which has become static and nostalgic (even disco now). However, besides a historical inheritance, art of all time may have common threads because all serve the same needs of man, although its external appearance varies with the shaping forces of the society and the time.

Mondrian: Both science and art are discovering and making us aware of the fact that time is a process of intensification, an evolution from the individual towards the universal, of the subjective towards the objective; towards the essence of things and of ourselves.

Pygoya: Yes, each generation's intellectual growth potential is accelerated by the knowledge unearthed by those that preceded it. However, it does not mean that the task of art to discover expanded realities - which lead to broader personal mental liberties - gets any simpler or closer to the absolute truth of art and reality. It is unforeseen how much longer man will exist and evolve. And as long as the process is viable, so will future art evolve and "intensify" the ongoing human condition.

Mondrian: .... The pioneers create through their reaction to external stimuli. They are guided not by the mass, but by that which they see and feel. They discover consciously or unconsciously the fundamental laws hidden in reality, and aim at realizing them. In this way they further human development.

Pygoya: Then you approve of "Da Waiting Room" (disco environment dental office, 1979-USA)?

Mondrian: Yes, and even as a "project demonstrating excellence" with the Union.

One realizes more and more the relativity of everything, and therefore on tends to reject the idea of fixed laws, of a single truth... (There are laws) more or less hidden in the reality that surrounds us ("real life" - Pygoya) and do not change. Not only science, but art also, shows us that reality, at first incomprehensible, gradually reveals itself, by the mutual relations that are inherent in things. Pure science and pure art, disinterested and free, can lead the advance in the recognition of the laws which are based on these relationships. ... Art shows us that there are also constant truths concerning forms. Every form, every line has its own expression.

Pygoya: So there are laws in "art?"

Mondrian: Yes. In fact, Art makes us realize that there are fixed laws which govern and point to the use of the constructive elements, of the composition and of the inherent interrelationships between them. These laws may be regarded as subsidiary laws to the fundamental law of equivalence which creates dynamic equilibrium and reveals the true content of reality.

Pygoya: At one point I desired to do paintings with "bad" composition, thinking that my sense of "good composition" was a subliminal conditioning of my sense of aesthetics by yesterday's teachers. However, now I sense attempting to do such a work of art (in its own right) is futile, for everything, and thus our own natural detection capacities, are a natural consequence of the tendency for all things in nature to seek a state of equilibrium. So must pictorial composition be influenced in that visual and mental direction. Art leads to peace of mind.