Hi Shubho,

I trust you are having a wonderful retreat in the mountains with your
girlfriend.

I'm not. Today, my day off, I am going through bureacratic reality
checks of this brick and mortar world.

Stop 1- US Passport Office- $60 (ouch) and won't get it until 25 working
days if lucky. If want to expedite in 3 days, pay extra $35. Wouldn't
take hostpital birth certificate which I miraclously still have on me.
Need to go across town to Dept of Public Health for copy from government
computer! Go there, pay $10. Come back this week.

Stop 2 - get passport photos (2 needed) $8.50

Stop 3 - go to Dr. Huija for shots for immunization, made appointment
after we got flight. He forgot to order shots from pharmacy. Rescheduled
to another day.! But says got letter AT HOME (not his office!) from
brother in Bombay who secured a gallery, everything paid by gallery. But
no info at office so will email his brother to send all info on gallery
and dates tonight when he leaves his medical office and does his hopital
rounds. Then I email brother and try to squeeze in time to attend
gallery in Bombay. Will send copy of this email to Yogi.

Stop 4. Find out need visa from Indian government to visit your
country! Must send US passport to Consulate in San Francisco!!! So must
pay the exta $35 to expediate US passport. Then mail, Federal Express,
the passport to
SF and hope they don't lose it, and get it back in time for Dec. 7
flight. Tourist visa, $50, business=$70, must won't say gallery
commitments as they may say this is "business".

Stop 5. Back to passport photo studio in downtown, another $8.50


Stop 6. Back to my office to try to warn travel agent I need to book to
Bombay then from there back towards Hawaii. Her offices says sorry, not
in. Plus I cannot make changes 'cause don't know gallery dates and if
possible during days between Calcutta and Dec. 17th when I return.
Doctor says I MUST visit his important father in Pune with famous house,
only 5 hours by train from Bombay. Tempting but is this all possible
without getting heart attack or seeing anything of India in such a blur
of activity?

Will keep you tuned in after get Bombay email tonight (hopefully, ...
told doctor 3 times DON'T FORGET DON'T FORGET DONT FORGET!!!)

He must think I am such a demanding impolite patient of his.

I am.

He is part to blame for all my new stress as I knew they would present
themselves when you try to make history in a short time.

Rodney

 



Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 14:39:55 -1000

Subject: The reality may be-
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YOU represent me, digital art at Bombay gallery whenever the dates are
available. Maybe Shubho can travel to Bombay whenever that dates are for
the next show AFTER the Calcutta Dec. show. If they don't require me to
come to Bombay.

Another option - I keep my scheduled flights, from here. When in India,
then schedule flight to Bombay and back to Calcutta to keep my scheduled
flight back out of India. But more risky (maybe no flights available at
this hectic time, could miss my flight out of country back in Calcutta)

Anyway, I hope I have secured a show for Yogi and troops for 2000 if
impossible when I'm in Calcutta in Dec. 99. If so, I shall send info to
you who to contact and negotiate with gallery for YOUR group show. Dr.
Huija said gallery said "totally free".

Py

Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 15:03:24 -1000
To Mitra

Information from your country's web site at-
http://www.indiagov.org/tourism/tourinfo/visa.htm


Tourist visas are issued either for one month or for six months. In case
of the
former, entry into India has to be within one month from the date
of issue. This visa
is not available by post. The latter is issued for six months from
the date of issue.
Fees for both categories are the same, so it is advisable for
tourists planning to visit
neighbouring countries to ask for the latter. It is preferable for
tourists to apply for
visa in the country of their residence.

Tourist visas can be extended by three months at the foreigners'
registration office in
New Delhi, Mumbai, Calcutta and Madras, or with the Superintendent
of Police at
any District Headquarters. Four passport size photographs are
needed for obtaining
a visa.

If stay in the country exceeds 180 days, then tourists are
required to get a tax
clearance certificate, available at the foreigners' section of the
income tax
department in every major city. It is also advisable to keep bank
receipts to show
that the money has been changed legally.

Special permits may be required additionally with the visa to
visit certain areas of the
country. Areas such as parts of Sikkim and the north-east frontier
states, and
northeast of Himachal Pradesh near the Tibetan border are out of
bounds for
foreign nationals. In case you need to visit any of these areas,
apply for a permit at
least four weeks in advance at the Ministry of Home Affairs
Foreigners' Section ,
Lok Nayak Bhavan, Khan Market, New Delhi 110 003.

Special permits are available at all Indian embassies, consulates
and high
commissions abroad, including all foreigners' registration
offices, immigration offices
at main international airports in India.


Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 10:18:20 -1000

To: huja@gte.net
Subject: JUMP!


Pygoya, stuck between Calcutta and Bombay and disaster.

Need to schedule immediately gallery days in Bombay between Dec 9 and
Dec 16. A reception party for me best probably on 15th, then leave for
Honolulu from Bombay on 16th. Try to get to Bombay from Calcutta Dec. 12
and go to Pune (your Father's town) Dec. 13th, be back in Bombay for
party at gallery on Dec. 15th. WHEW.


Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:03:35 -1000

From: Birendra Huja <huja@gte.net>
Subject: Reply-To: <ihuja@emergesystems.com> From: "Inderdeep S. Huja"
<ihuja@emergesystems.com> To: <huja@gte.net> Subject: Hello; Date:
Sat, 30 Oct 1999 10:15:08 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer:
Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE:
Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Chachaji: Thank you for
your call the other evening. Hope all is well. I talked with my folks
earlier today and they asked me to let you know that Dad had talked
with Akbar Padamsee and is working out arrangements for exhibiting
your friends (Chang) art work at the Pundole Gallery in Bombay. The
gallery takes care of everthing, advertising, printing etc, and they
take 33% of the sale. He should have more for you later. Hope you
have settled into your new house. Inderdeep S. Huja
_______________________________ E-Merge Systems, Inc. 1572 E. Parham
Road Richmond, VA 23228 Tel: (804) 261-1190 Fax: (804) 261-1191
email: ihuja@emergesystems.com www.emergesystems.com




Sun, 07 Nov 1999 09:44:18 -1000

To:
yoart2@yahoo.com


"SINCERELY DEDICATED TO DIGITAL ART EVOLUTION IN INDIA"

Remember this rally slogan and you cannot quit!

Not with a gallery having said 'yes' (but now I need YOU to get dates
when I am COMMITTED to Bombay visit). Even if no gallery was secured now
you will meet me anyway 'cause I'm will be there. So you put forth your
strongest side, spirit, now because the countdown has started. I have
been trying to reach you, the brother for over a week and that is l
crucial week LOST after I got word from the Dr. that a gallery wants a
show.


I propose same show as shubho's Calcutta one as it would be the easiest
to duplicate. Write immediately to Shubho and tell either to make a copy
of all artists' art and send to you for framing or YOU print copies
from www.lastplace.com/EXHIBITS/India/index.htm

All frame costs I will pay for. I can pay when I get to Bombay or send
you cashier check now when you approximate costs. Keep printouts SMALL
for good resolution of prints and small framing costs. Around size of
postcard imagery.

I really need to secure your enthusiasm for digital art for Bombay and
for my overall workload of attempting to lead 2 cities at once from far
away.

I need you to check your email EVERYDAY and communicate back or just let
me know you're there, or for you to ask me to do things or just keep me
informed on the lastest developments or problems.

Here's info-
CALL SR. HUJA AT 1-91-212-588-8827, THE
DR.'S BROTHER, WHO HAS A GALLERY. WE NEED TO FIND OUT IF THEY CAN HAVE
SET DATES WHEN I'M THERE, A RECEPTION, IF THEY WANT TO MIRROR OUR
CALCUTTA INTERNATIONAL SHOW OR EXPECT JUST A SOLO OF MY WORK. I HAVE
COMMITTED TO DEC.13-16 IN BOMBAY, 9-12 IN CALCUTTA.


Or, dear friend, just contact directly,
Akbar Padamsee and is working out arrangements for exhibiting
your friends (Chang) art work at the Pundole Gallery in Bombay. The
gallery takes care of everthing, advertising, printing etc, and they
take 33% of the sale.

I think you should tell them the main goal is to introduce world digital
art to Bombay and if they understand that. Be sure to sense if profit is
more important than that. If it is, then DON't say the real reason for
show and try to make them feel the works will sell. You have to be a
diplomat here. Then price cheaply or accordingly to have chance to sell.
Try to secure a date when I am there to have a reception. That was the
important idea, right? If they cannot, then just set dates but let them
know I won't be present.

I hope you ARE totally charged at this time or this will FAIL and you
still have to look me in the face when I visit you.

I hope Preeti can help too because this is a major job to undertake with
so little time left. I will write to her now, thanks for introducing me
to your friend.

I hope you can find the time to do what your Web site says, create your
own online show and documentation of this historic exhibition for India
which was YOUR and my idea long ago, before Shubho and Calcutta came
into the act. Don't let Bombay lose the digital art idea to Calcutta.

OK, now you have Dr.'s brother's phone number and gallery in Bombay
identified. I hope early this week I get GOOD NEWS from you in next
email!


Good Luck, my friend. Happy Hunting!

Get email list from Shubho for all artists (he's more organized than me)
and quickly write to all to send jpgs to you too or set deadlines for
jpgs or just say hello and let them know Bombay is also HAPPENING and
looking forward to seeing their wonderful works too, besides Calcutta.

The world awaits, it's up to you. Go get them!!!!


aloha,
Py



Sun, 07 Nov 1999 09:56:10 -1000


Dear Preeti,

Thank you for encouraging Yogi to move forward at this time. Obviously
you are a strong influence on Yogi and have rallied his energy and
spirit to not quit. To quit now will be something he will regret for
the rest of his life. He has made so much progress, in fact the only
digital art presence on the world Web at this time, resulting in my
discovering of his presence and now my trip to India. I also want to
show this fine young man (I'm 53) that one never gives up hope. If I had
all this would have died off last month. I struggled and struggled and
now new ray of hope is upon us and we must seize the opportunity. Things
work out for the best if one persists towards one's goals.

I also welcome you to join our team and help bring digital art to
Bombay. We need you, in fact, because of the short time before I come
there (Dec. 13-16). In fact, maybe YOU can secure some other exhibit
for our international exhibit in case the gallery cannot accomodate an
opening party when I'm in Bombay. Any school, library, coffee cafe,
restaurant, store, bank, bookstore, .... I don't care where.

I just got invitation to have a solo exhibition at Honolulu art museum
so this is a good omen. I've been in many other museums abroad, feel
somewhat disappointment I couldn't interest India's museums, but that
can be the future return. India is a tough spot to get attention for
digital art compared to other countries. But I love challenges, the
toughter the better.

Yes, sometimes I feel like a general. A fortune teller once told me a
previous life was as Chinese general. Now I enjoy attempting to take
digital art to the top of all media, using the Cyberculture of the Web,
in the next century, a position where it belongs.

For any place that you may find for a show (even a little back alley is
OK ;) ) you can show them the art that awaits a home space in Bombay as
review of quality of world digital art that I have selected-

http://www.lastplace.com/EXHIBITS/India/index.htm


Can we all start working together now, not in forced labor, but in the
light of strength, goodwill and harmony through the wonder and new
beauty of digital art that awaits enlightenment of India's eyes???


Love and Peace for the world someday,

Pygoya



Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:37:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Shubhojoy Mitra <submitra@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Digital Art Lecture and Show Invitation to India]




Dear Rodney,

Back in the city again. Yesterday was Diwali, but
city's still in grip of the festive spirit of the
"festival of lights"... lamps, fireworks, people out
on the roads...

Hope you get the visa without any problems.

Mrs. Bhagat out today. Will meet me tomorrow. Talked
to Vaishali at Oxford and she will also provide the
gallery wall space measurements tomorrow. Then I will
have a pretty good picture just how many pictures we
can hang there. Next stop, the printer. I have to tell
him exactly how many prints we intend to take and he
will tell me the cost accordingly. By the end of this
week I intend to finalize the printing and framing
costs.

>Arrive in Calcutta Dec. 9, leave on the 13th for
Bombay.

Incidentally Priti also arrives to Calcutta on the
same day form Darjeeling. Been reading the mails about
Bombay exhibition. Initially thought I have to ring up
Sr. Huja. Akbar Padamsee? He's quite well known as an
artist across the country. I think his brother is one
of the top admen in the country.




Thanks.

>How about sister? How much for her service?
Separate check for her or combine with your fees?

---she's been a little busy(getting married roughly
during the same week when we exhibit!!! Our elder
brother from (Goteborg)Sweden is visiting us then too
with his Polish wife and children ---quite a gathering
we will have then... will be great to have you here
then too!!!). She looked up our docs/mails on COC and
needs further clarifications. Now that I am back here,
I'll help/answer her questions.


>When in your city, should I use travelers checks?
--- travellers checks will do fine.

>Send your images for show to my email for online
cataloging. Yogi still
in show???????
-- Am doing that. No word form Yogi this week...let's
wait until the deadline?

>also a Statement by the artist and how about a
Greetings from India for
foreign artists to read online in the catalog. AGain,
you can just
take
pages from lastplace.com to place on your site to save
your time.
Modify
as desired is cool.

--- okay.

BTW, the sis spotted a hint about our coming show by a
columnist in a local newspaper. Seems like the people
at Oxford are beginning to talk about us already.
I have some more news... did I tell you this
before?...possibility of exclusive TV coverage.

get back to you soon,
shubho


Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 10:11:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Shubhojoy Mitra <submitra@rocketmail.com>


Dear Rod,

I am a bit tired today after a hectic time with two
clients and Mrs. Bhagat. Trying to get sponsors for
invitation card/catalogue...last minute tries, but
might work out... who knows?

Am planning to hit the bed early and wake up fresh,
reply your mail, get to work. Your ideas in this mail
is right. I will reply point by point tomorrow
morning.

Other devs here:
Talked to friend at Hotel Hindusthan International.
says can offer $165 single room for $120 (will upgrade
to deluxe room) and add complimentary breakfast. Also
provide car once either to or fro form the airport.
Assures me will take personal care for your comfort. I
am trying to make the rate lower but he has not
committed anything beyond that. Pls confirm if you
like it and I'll ask him to make the resv. ... got to
make that soon also.

No news form Yogi... will write him one last email
then telephone Mr.Huja at Bombay.

Printer's cost... looking at Rs.200 per print price.
That's approx. $4.50. This is tentative. I have to
negotiate with the printer after I can give them the
exact no. of prints.

I need your suggestion about frames...colour,
wood/metal?, etc.

Yes, will send the pix again...wait until tomorrow
morning? ...

Oh yes, could you send a confirmatory mail to Mrs.
Bhagat... a fax...very important... stating your
intention to come and confirmation of travel dates.
Intends to ask the US consul general to come and open
the show.
Should make it a big event and more press coverage...
intends to hold press conf/artist interviews instead
of simply handing out press kits with artist bios and
statements.

Her fax no. is 1-91-33-246-9680. if possible, try a
little late in the evening when the stores opens here
in the morning.
Else her email is: mainab-oxford@hotmail.com
cc:oxfordbookstore@hotmail.com
Fax appreciated!!! She'll send it to US Consul him for
getting him ion that date (inaug.).

write to you in the morning,
shubho


Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 13:23:52 -1000
From: Pygoya <pygoya@pixi.com>

Subject: ATTN Mrs. Bhagat of Oxford Gallery - Calcutta

Dear Mrs. Bhagat,

This is to confirm that I accept on behalf on an international group of
digital artists an exhibition at your Oxford Gallery in Calcutta. I
shall definitely arrive in Calcutta for the opening reception of the
show whenever you set the date. I will be in Calcutta December 9-12 of
this year.

I am currently very busy creating an online historical documentation of
the show. You can visit it and review the art from abroad that will be
printed and framed for your gallery exhibiton. Please visit-

http://www.lastplace.com/EXHIBITS/India/index.htm

I am very excited about this opportunity to share my art and that of
other digital artists, all with presence on the Internet with the people
of Calcutta. It is our hope that such an exposure of developments in
the art medium, now nutured by the Internet in formulating a global art
form as emerging online "cyberculture", will spark more Indian artists
to also work, develop and contribute to the growing legacy of this new
electronic art medium.

I personally want to express my appreciation and gratitude to you
gallery for the generosity in providing a space for exhibiting such
Internet art. I look forward to meeting you personally and sharing
aesthetic ideas with Indian artists as a positive, cross-cultural
interchange opportunity.

With Warm Regards,


Rodney "Pygoya" Chang, MA, MSED, DDS, PhD


Subject:
about frames
Date:
Tue, 09 Nov 1999 17:47:11 -1000
From:
pygoya <pygoya@pixi.com>
To:
submitra@rocketmail.com


Just keep them small and cheap. Probably easiest to make all same color
like black. Nothing fancy as this distracts from the art. Standard
frame (prefabricated) probably cheaper than custom making for each
artwork. Also choose lightweight as possible, like plastic vs. metal or
wood so the lightest possible for me to have options of shipping, or
carrying in suitcase by someone for future Bombay show.... ship to Thai
or future country.. I like cardboard backing and plastic box front.
Cheap. Try to keep your prints postcard size so all fit same size
frames. There's a lot of artworks so you may have to reduce some even
further than you could print to fit same size frames. If deviating from
uniformity, the possible just 2 different size frames. Disappointed to
find your estimates. Could have print out here probably at $2 each and
find $3 frames, but then, the shipping would have been probably $200
dollars, even for such lightweight things. This total cost is a setback
in my dreams of doing such print-locally from downloading jpgs and
placing in throwaway frames. Trying to use this first real show outside
virtual lastplace.com as a pilot project for future shows abroad. But
now if it runs into the hundreds of US dollars, even with a systems
approach and sense of frugality, then I have lost. It proves it does
cost too much to exhibit brick and mortarly, artists must indeed pay
their share, etc. etc. The beauty of my system was to make it free for
all, a simple unloading of digital online works, and a throwaway show to
avoid expensive shipping. Maybe the real world isn't ready for this
guerilla tactics from Cyberspace for the sake of digital artists/art and
I must remain totally in Cyberspace until costs come down or we get more
wealthy.

Alternative that one Web art ring just did in Tokyo ( I am in that
group).

Inkjet printers set up, at opening, all downloading jpgs from online
catalog, also visible on another computer sys. Maybe rent a couple PCs
and printers for the opening, do something so avantgarde and mind
blowing to traditional public. As inkjet prints come out, they are just
pinned/taped to the walls of gallery. Just a few set copies given away
to reception with lucky numbers drawn from a container. Everybody has
fun and participates in an art event never before executed in India. I
just bring in suitcase my nicely printed and framed works in a suitcase
and leave in India as present for Oxford interiors or they donate to US
Consultate office or a school or hospital or whatever.

Total cost- probably at least halved.

I'm open to anything, including taking as it looks like its turning out,
a bigger loss on all the artists' works. Oh well, live and learn. But
if it does turn out to be such an investment instead of a "disposable"
exhibit, then a part of my cyberbrain thinks, look into cost of shipping
all works to Hawaii (Hawaii show for all!) the cheapest way. Ship. Why
not, no rush since no set date, let it take months to get to my office.

Food for thought.

Cyberbrains united,
PY



To:
Shubhojoy Mitra <submitra@rocketmail.com>
References:
1


Shubhojoy Mitra wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Rodney, I was looking at better quality prints form
> professional houses. Meanwhile I was doing some
> calculating too and think your $5 for printing &
> framing costs should be good. Think we can actually
> buy a HP or Epson printer and get it done with that
> itself.

SERIOUS THOUGHT TO CONSIDER...
>
> If the costs go above your couple of hundred dollars,
> you think the rest ... about $ 50 extra max. ... as
> part of COC investment?
SURE.
>
> I agree about frames... can be done at that rate.
>
> Don't be discouraged! I am trying to do the best with
> whatever budget you can manage. Just let me know what
> is acceptable or not. Keeping my mind open to all
> options: only I begin woth the best and then go for
> compromises... doesn't hurt to think a little big and
> expensive, does it?

NO.
>
> I don't want you to lose money unneccessarily for this
> event.

NEED THE MONEY FOR COC, CYBERBRAINS. BUT YES, WE DON'T WANT TO HANG
CRAP.

BTW, we have to get a pricing for the prints
> too in case anyone's interested in buying a print.
> Should be reasonable since these are hi-quality prints
> and more like popularizing digital work...
>
> Maybe if we sell some, some printing costs may be
> recovered if not all of it.
HOPEFULLY....IF WE GO THIS ROUTE.
>
> shubho
>
> --- pygoya <pygoya@pixi.com> wrote:
> > Just keep them small and cheap. Probably easiest to
> > make all same color
> > like black. Nothing fancy as this distracts from
> > the art. Standard
> > frame (prefabricated) probably cheaper than custom
> > making for each
> > artwork. Also choose lightweight as possible, like
> > plastic vs. metal or
> > wood so the lightest possible for me to have options
> > of shipping, or
> > carrying in suitcase by someone for future Bombay
> > show.... ship to Thai
> > or future country.. I like cardboard backing and
> > plastic box front.
> > Cheap. Try to keep your prints postcard size so all
> > fit same size
> > frames. There's a lot of artworks so you may have to
> > reduce some even
> > further than you could print to fit same size
> > frames. If deviating from
> > uniformity, the possible just 2 different size
> > frames. Disappointed to
> > find your estimates. Could have print out here
> > probably at $2 each and
> > find $3 frames, but then, the shipping would have
> > been probably $200
> > dollars, even for such lightweight things. This
> > total cost is a setback
> > in my dreams of doing such print-locally from
> > downloading jpgs and
> > placing in throwaway frames. Trying to use this
> > first real show outside
> > virtual lastplace.com as a pilot project for future
> > shows abroad. But
> > now if it runs into the hundreds of US dollars, even
> > with a systems
> > approach and sense of frugality, then I have lost.
> > It proves it does
> > cost too much to exhibit brick and mortarly, artists
> > must indeed pay
> > their share, etc. etc. The beauty of my system was
> > to make it free for
> > all, a simple unloading of digital online works, and
> > a throwaway show to
> > avoid expensive shipping. Maybe the real world
> > isn't ready for this
> > guerilla tactics from Cyberspace for the sake of
> > digital artists/art and
> > I must remain totally in Cyberspace until costs come
> > down or we get more
> > wealthy.
> >
> > Alternative that one Web art ring just did in Tokyo
> > ( I am in that
> > group).
> >
> > Inkjet printers set up, at opening, all downloading
> > jpgs from online
> > catalog, also visible on another computer sys. Maybe
> > rent a couple PCs
> > and printers for the opening, do something so
> > avantgarde and mind
> > blowing to traditional public. As inkjet prints
> > come out, they are just
> > pinned/taped to the walls of gallery. Just a few set
> > copies given away
> > to reception with lucky numbers drawn from a
> > container. Everybody has
> > fun and participates in an art event never before
> > executed in India. I
> > just bring in suitcase my nicely printed and framed
> > works in a suitcase
> > and leave in India as present for Oxford interiors
> > or they donate to US
> > Consultate office or a school or hospital or
> > whatever.
> >
> > Total cost- probably at least halved.
> >
> > I'm open to anything, including taking as it looks
> > like its turning out,
> > a bigger loss on all the artists' works. Oh well,
> > live and learn. But
> > if it does turn out to be such an investment instead
> > of a "disposable"
> > exhibit, then a part of my cyberbrain thinks, look
> > into cost of shipping
> > all works to Hawaii (Hawaii show for all!) the
> > cheapest way. Ship. Why
> > not, no rush since no set date, let it take months
> > to get to my office.
> >
> > Food for thought.
> >
> > Cyberbrains united,
> > PY
> >
>
> =====
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

GOOD THINKING FELLOW CYBERBRAINS.

LIKE THE IDEA OF INVESTING IN A QUALITY PRINTER. REMEMBER THOUGH, COST
OF HARDWARE/PRINTER CHEAP RELATIVE TO THE INK CARTRIDGE REPLACEMENT, THE
THING PRINTER COMPANIES REALLY MAKE THE MONEY.

WOULD BE NICE TO PRINT OUR OWN, HAVE A PRINTER FOR YOUR COMPANY.... BUT
REMEMBER, INKJETS FADE AND CUSTOMER WILL EVENTUALLY FEEL TAKEN BY
SALESMAN (THE ARTIST). FOR QUALITY, THEN BE SURE INKS ARE GOOD ENOUGH
FOR 'ART COLLECTOR'. THAT'S WHY GICLEES ARE THE BEST 'CAUSE WON'T FADE
FOR 35-75 YEARS, DEPENDING ON LIGHTING CONDITIONS. I HAVE HAD HP AND
CANON PRINTS FADE SO ONLY BLUES LEFT IN 1 YEAR IN NATURAL LIGHT FROM
WINDOW.