Computer graphics is NOT  ART

but   a thing


Inquiry by resident artist @  www.geocities.com/SoHo/9650



>Dear Directing Staff of Geocities Official SoHo Art Gallery,
>
>I live at www.geocities.com/SoHo/9650
>I would love to participate and submit a piece for you/our? gallery.
>Why no computer artist need apply????
>
>Please elucidate,
>Pygoya

Subject:
Re: Why no computer art allowed in The Official SoHo Art Gallery
Date:
Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:22:19 -0400
From:
"Amos Jo" <wjmoffat@wcl.on.ca>
Reply-To:
"Amos Jo" <amosjo@writeme.com>
To:
"pygoya" <pygoya@pixi.com>




Well, for starters, it takes up too much room, and also according to my older sister who is a Graphic Designer, its not really art. Its Graphics. Graphics can be anything from a photograph thats just been tinted to a computer generated explosion for a movie to the label of a soup can. Then there's the matter of moving gifs. They take up way too much room and can't be resized. There already is other sites that promote such things.

Thanks for your interest anyway.

sincerely,
amos joseph shen
curator


 

Subject:
Fw: Computer paintings
Date:
Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:01:35 -0600
From:
"Ansgard Thomson" <athomson@vennercs.com>
To:
"pygoya" <pygoya@pixi.com>



Hi Rodney,
This gentleman is the curator for Soho/studio/Art Gallery.
How do you like this kind of attitude?
Ansgard



----- Original Message -----
From: Amos Jo <wjmoffat@wcl.on.ca>
To: Ansgard Thomson <athomson@vennercs.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 11:41 AM

Ansgard Thomson wrote:
>
> Thanks for your reply.
> Tell your older sister she is ignorant and needs to get re-educated
> In the year 2000 she might no longer have a job designing graphics
> the computer generation will take over.
> Is this why you got the job as a curator ?
> Interesting!!
>
> Ansgard Thomson
> Box 8
> Fort Assiniboine AB.CA.
> T0G-1A0
> Tel :1-780-584-2345
>
>
http://www.vennercs.com/users/athomson
> Email: athomson@vennercs.com
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Study/4301
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Amos Jo <wjmoffat@wcl.on.ca>
> To: Ansgard Thomson <athomson@vennercs.com>
> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 1999 11:41 AM
> Subject: Re: Computer paintings
>
> > well, for starters, it takes up too much room, and also according to my
> > older sister who is a Graphic Designer, its not really art. Its Graphics.
> > Graphics can be anything from a photograph thats just been tinted to a
> > computer generated explosion for a movie to the label of a soup can. Then
> > there's the matter of moving gifs. They take up way too much room and
> can't
> > be resized. There already is other sites that promote such things.
> >
> > Thanks for your interest anyway.
> >
> > sincerely,
> > amos joseph shen
> > curator

> >
> >
> > >Hi
> > >Why do you discriminate against computer generated art?
> >

> >
Dear Ansgard,

I cannot believe there are still people like this in the world! I did forward my site url and guess he did look at my "graphics" and came away "curating" that it's "not art" but a "thing". Dammmm.

You got more guts than me in writing back and setting him straight. The bad thing is he represents Geocities.com, supposedly a virtual community that is leading us into the next millenium on the Internet. For their "official" gallery of the "neighborhood" in which I "reside" as an artist to exclude my art medium does not bode well with its administration. Guess the true mission is to sell "things" to its residents instead of truly attempting to develop a valid Cyberculture".
Now I realize the Geocities site that I have maintained for 2 years isn't so cutting edge but merely "free pages/memory" in an ignorant neighborhood that calls themselves "artists".

This email is definitely curatorially significant for inclusion into our history of digital art @ http://www.lastplace.com/LivingHistory/digitalnotart.htm

If you wish, you have my permission to forward this to the leaders of www.geocities.com/SoHo/ neighborhood or to the central admistration of www.geocities.com.  Me? I'd rather spend time in my residentail cyberstudio at the Las Vegas Art Museum where evidently, even in that vast Western desert, they're more liberal.

Cordially,
Pygoya

(Curator, Truly Virtual Web Art Museum; Internet Programs Director, Las Vegas Art Museum; Founder, Hawaii Computer Art Society; VP, Association of Hawaii Artists, 1999; PhD, Art  Psychology)


Subject:
Art Shows policies
Date:
Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:17:55 -0600
From:
"Ansgard Thomson" <athomson@vennercs.com>
To:
<world_report@list.geocities.com>
CC:
"R2001ML" <r2001@uucp.ne.jp>, "pygoya" <pygoya@pixi.com>, <cyberstaff@lastplace.com>


Ladies and Gentleman
I forward to you a letter written by your curator I shared with a friend who
is a well known Cyberartist himself and he is just as incensed by the
publicity you are giving to this curator,who has kept his narrow eyes shut
on art produced today on the Internet and in the studios around the globe.
I will forward this letter also to the R2001 group of artists who are
connected
around the globe.
I can hardly believe this is happening in the name of SOHO and Paris
Musée d' Orsey.

Respectfully submitted by
Ansgard Thomson
Box 8
Fort Assiniboine AB.CA.
T0G-1A0
Tel :1-780-584-2345


Subject:
[r2001 01904] Re: Art Shows policies
Date:
Sun, 08 Aug 1999 20:39:51 -0500
From:
bryan.smith@thinkpiece.com (Bryan Smith)
Reply-To:
r2001@uucp.ne.jp
Organization:
Thinkpiece
To:
r2001@uucp.ne.jp


And, this comes as a surprise!?!?...giggle...uh, like this attitude is EVERYWHERE...and also there are other similar attitudes amongst those we call our "brothers and
sisters in art"...and while I understand (but shall not accept) their position(s), I have faith that in time this will change from the bottom up--from the 'grassroots'...and
base this faith in change on the number of unique visitors which frequent my site each month...so, uh...'cuse me for not writing more on the subject, as I need get back
to...uh...doing my un/non-art, non-3D, non-technical, no-math, no practical application, zero-skill thing(s)...as I got people who want to see more of it!!!!


Bryan@Thinkpieces
http://www.thinkpiece.com
bryan@thinkpiece.com

 


 

Subject:
Re: Computer paintings
Date:
Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:44:29 -0600
From:
"Ansgard Thomson" <athomson@vennercs.com>
To:
"Amos Jo" <amosjo@writeme.com>
CC:
"pygoya" <pygoya@pixi.com>
References:
1


Dear AJ.
Being a curator is a honor in the art world paid or not paid
it gives a responsibility to the community of artists to show
knowledge of art appreciation no matter what form it is in.

Advertising is part of the Internet and they all run after the
self employed artists to place an add for little or nothing
and the competition to get a job like your sister has is great.

She is right in so far,that webmasters are not always artists
and the programs are not making the artist .
Making art regardless what one uses a pencil,a stick or a computer or filter
is a personal decision of the artist and show his abilities with
the media at hand.
It is not influenced by the decision made
by the program designer or an employer one has to please.
Good luck with your work.Sorry for challenging your beliefs.
I am old enough to do so for the sake of the artists who have made
a great effort to give credibility to their peers in Cyberspace.

Ansgard Thomson
Box 8
Fort Assiniboine AB.CA.
T0G-1A0
Tel :1-780-584-2345


 

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Ladies and Gentleman
I forward to you a letter written by your curator I shared with a friend who
is a well known Cyberartist himself and he is just as incensed by the
publicity you are giving to this curator,who has kept his narrow eyes shut
on art produced today on the Internet and in the studios around the globe.
I will forward this letter also to the R2001 group of artists who are
connected
around the globe.
I can hardly believe this is happening in the name of SOHO and Paris
Musée d' Orsey.
Respectfully submitted by
Ansgard Thomson
Box 8
Fort Assiniboine AB.CA.
T0G-1A0
Tel :1-780-584-2345